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Monday, March 12, 2007

HUNTING


We've touched on the hunting topic within another post, but I thought we'd give it its own page. It seems to be a really hot topic, so let's dig in and "shoot" the breeze about it!

Hunting is a part of nature. In the old days, people had to hunt to live and survive. I've always admired Native American culture. Hunting was a big part of that culture, but Indians respected what they hunted. They thanked the spirit of the animal for giving them life. They used every part of the animal for shelter, clothing, tools. They weren't like the white Buffalo hunters who slaughtered bison all over the plains, taking hides for profit and leaving the rest to rot.

My problem with hunting today is that people do it for SPORT. It's even called a sport. How can it be a sport? Call it what it is, but sport it is not. People do it because they enjoy killing an animal, they do it for the thrill of the hunt, for the trophy, for the rack. NOT BECAUSE THEY NEED TO SURVIVE. And there is the difference and my problem with most modern hunters.

It doesn't matter to me that they "eat what they kill." It doesn't matter to me that we do have a deer population problem. I understand the need to "thin the herd" and I understand all the problems caused by too many deer, both for humans and for the deer themselves. Hunters can give all those rational reasons, but for most of them, it's because they ENJOY killing a living thing as FUN and SPORT. And to me, when one enjoys killing, that falls under the "thou shall not kill" commandment. Hunting is not a necessity for most hunters, period.

I also hear the "tradition" argument. "Daddy went hunting with grandpa, I went with daddy, I'm taking my son." I'm sorry, but humans have done a lot of terrible things based on "tradition" or "culture." Not a good excuse in my book.

I will never understand the need for hunters to put their dead deer pictures in the paper. Disgusting. All those deer look alike, dead, lifeless, so what is the point? To prove what a big "man" they are? And if you do think of it as a sport, then the two sides should be on equal footing.

But today, in a weird way, if you are going to eat meat at all, it might actually be better to eat hunted meat than buying from a store. Why? Because today cows and pigs and chickens don't live normal lives on nice, happy, rural farms. They are raised in factory farms in terrible conditions, crammed into too small pens, pumped with hormones to make them fatter than nature intended. Turkeys are fattened up so much they can't even walk their breasts are so big. And doing that, to me, is actually worse than hunting, because at least a hunted animal lived a natural life. But again, most hunters don't hunt for that reason.

Let's be clear: the reason most people hunt is for fun and sport and that is what disgusts me.

So, I've been thinking: If one wants to eat meat, its best to buy an entire butchered cow or pig, one that grew up on a normal farm, that had a normal life before being killed for food. It might cost more, but if you believe animals should be treated humanely, it's worth it. This is something I hope to do.

My problem with hunting is not the need for food, but the need for "sport." The reasoning does make the difference, and only the hunter himself knows what he's getting out of it and if it's "fun and thrilling" to kill a living being.

So, share your thoughts, and be nice! :) Picture above is of Tarzan "hunting" his toy that's in part of the carpeted cat tree.

posted by Sandy at 3/12/2007 08:16:00 AM

49 Comments:

Blogger Alice said...

I think you have hit the nail on the head for me, Sandy. There is no competition in the "sport" of hunting. There was a story recently about a country singer who shot a bear. It was a tame bear, I believe. Where is the "sport" in that!?!? I agree, that hunting is used as a means to justify killing. It's just an animal, right?

We don't need to control any animal population, Nature does that, with predators (other non-human animals), disease, famine. We encroach on their habitats and get all excited when an animal is found in the neighborhood. Learn to live with the animals not conquer them. If you don't want to see bobcats or coyotes don't move to the country where they live.

Once when I was a science teacher for a middle school, I took in a huge beetle that I had found. I was horriefied by all the boy's offers to kill it. I didn't want them to kill it, I wanted them to see it alive and how it went about it's life. I never understood, even as a biology teacher, why we studied life by killing it.

Am I a horrible person because I don't feel bad for hunters who shoot each other by accident?

Monday, March 12, 2007 12:49:00 PM  
Blogger Pam said...

No Alice you aren't a bad person for that and I feel the same way although I would never want a hunter to hurt another badly or kill them. I think saying hunting is a sport is the wrong word too, is isn't sport when the animal can't really fight back.

Earllier today I was so upset because the car in front of me ran over a ground hog. The pool little fellow wetnt rolling out from under the car and it looked stunned and I couldn't tell if it had been hurt badly or not. It went off the side of the road. I cried all the way home. I came home, got a cat carrier and a towel and went back to seee if it was hurt or suffering. I was going to take it to the vet. I called Suzanne and she said that animals place newar Nashville will rehabillitate them and set them back out in the wild. I couldn't find the little guys so I pray he or she is ok and wasn't serioulsy hurt. I really pray it didn't go off to suffer and die.

Monday, March 12, 2007 3:17:00 PM  
Blogger Pam said...

P.S. Alice, I mentioned this before but don't know if you saw it. There was a video on TV that showed a hunter that pissed off a deer and the deer went after the hunter and was kicking his butt big time. It was so funny, he even chased him. The people telling about it was getting a real kick out of that story too. I think it had been on you tube. I saw it on Entertainment Tonight. Sure wish you could have seen it.

Monday, March 12, 2007 3:19:00 PM  
Blogger Pam said...

ALice, I'm repeating myself becasue I thought I was on this blogg but tiwas the other one. Anyway I just went to you tube and found taht video of the deer beating the hunter up. You would really like it. All you ahve to do is go to www.youtube.com and type in deeer beating up hunter and it will come up. It's a good one! Check it out, you will be glad you did.

Monday, March 12, 2007 3:33:00 PM  
Blogger Alice said...

Pam, yes, I have seen that video and I have cheered for the deer! I, too, do not wish any harm to hunters, I just want them to stop it.

Monday, March 12, 2007 3:34:00 PM  
Blogger Sandy said...

No Alice, you aren't a horrible person to not feel bad when hunters shoot each other. You are being honest. I guess it's like any dangerous endeavor. When, say, a mountain climber gets killed I don't feel the same way as when I hear that a child got killed by a predator. I figure when one takes a risk in doing dangerous things, they know themselves what can happen. In the other case, the child is a victim. A hunter is a victim only of himself or another hunter when such a thing happens, and when you handle guns, accidents can and do happen.

But I have a problem with the way we all eat meat and where it comes from and how they are treated, and that's why, in a perverse way, I would probably now rather eat a deer than a cow. I've been trying to work towards vegetarianism. For the longest time I didn't eat beef or pork, then planned to get rid of the poultry next. I have fallen off of the wagon a bit, because with work and being so busy, I often don't have time to make two different things, and The Boss won't give up the meat.But I feel guilty eating it and am back on the wagon.

Monday, March 12, 2007 6:14:00 PM  
Blogger Sandy said...

No Alice, you aren't a horrible person to not feel bad when hunters shoot each other. You are being honest. I guess it's like any dangerous endeavor. When, say, a mountain climber gets killed I don't feel the same way as when I hear that a child got killed by a predator. I figure when one takes a risk in doing dangerous things, they know themselves what can happen. In the other case, the child is a victim. A hunter is a victim only of himself or another hunter when such a thing happens, and when you handle guns, accidents can and do happen.

But I have a problem with the way we all eat meat and where it comes from and how they are treated, and that's why, in a perverse way, I would probably now rather eat a deer than a cow. I've been trying to work towards vegetarianism. For the longest time I didn't eat beef or pork, then planned to get rid of the poultry next. I have fallen off of the wagon a bit, because with work and being so busy, I often don't have time to make two different things, and The Boss won't give up the meat.But I feel guilty eating it and am back on the wagon.

Monday, March 12, 2007 6:14:00 PM  
Blogger Sandy said...

Pam, what a horrible story. I am the same way. I stop for turtles on the road. Did the groundhog go under the wheel or just under the car? If just the car, I'm sure he's fine.

If I ever saw a terribly injured animal that was run over (a wild animal like squirrel, etc.) but still alive, I guess I would try to put it out of it's misery by running over it until it was dead. Of course, that would depend on the level of injury, but with a wild animal you have to be careful of getting bitten because of rabies and such. That is the saddest thing about wildlife--the way animals MUST get hurt but can't do anything about it but suffer.

Monday, March 12, 2007 6:18:00 PM  
Blogger Daisylouu said...

It all depends how you are raised. Most hunters come from families where they were exposed to killing animals as "normal". Very few people raised in non-hunting homes become avid hunters. And I do believe men are the strangest creatures and somehow have activities like this etched in their genes (that's a whole other blog!)

As an animal lover, I can't understand the fun in killing; however, I was raised by a mother who loved and cared for animals.

When a hunter tells me they only do it to help control the animal population, reduce car accidents, etc., I can't resist but to ask them if they'd support a law whereby the state allows ONLY game wardens to thin the herds. They would kill as their *daily* job (it would be easier to track numbers too)! Suddenly the tune changes because they don't want to give up their enjoyment (and that's what it is, it's their FUN)

If a hunter has a choice between killing a small deer with a big rack or a larger deer with a small rack, which would they kill? Some will answer that question by telling you it's an improbable scenario, but it's a question none-the-less. Honesty would tell you they want the "trophy" rather than the meat. I guess they have that right, but at least they should admit it.

Bottom line, I just don't understand it.......but there are people who enjoy it and it's legal so therefore it will continue to be part of our lives. How can we EVER get the newspaper to stop devoting PAGES to dead animal pictures? I really want to see statistics about numbers of hunters. I once read there are more golfers than hunters, so why don't we have PAGES devoted to people on the golf course?

Monday, March 12, 2007 7:50:00 PM  
Blogger Pam said...

Sandy, I couldn't tell for sure how it actually happened but it wasn't mashed and it did roll andit looked more stunned than anything. It slowly got up and went towards the side of he road. I couldn't tell if it looked like anything was broken. I started crying so hard and there were cars behind me so couldn't stop. It was in a kind of dangerous area to try and pull over. I did go back to try and help and didn't see it anywhere.I just pray it wasn't hurt bad and didn't go off to suffer and die!
I pray it was just stunned and is going to be fine. Fly Boy tried to convince me earlier that hunting is helpful to rid over population of the deer but I don't buy that. He isn't even a hunter but was raised a hunter so believes that. Like I said when he was a little boy his family really did need to hunt but by the time he was a teenager they no longer needed to do that so they stopped. I wish i didn't likemeat either but must confess I do. I on;y want to eat meat that has been humanely killed. I won't eat at KFC from hearing how they abuse thier chickens. From a medical point of view I know it is very hard to get all you need from a vegetarian diet even with supplements. I have seen cases where people come in with problems from those diets. It is so hard to be a meat lover and also love animals so much at the same time. It's a struggle all the time!

Monday, March 12, 2007 8:51:00 PM  
Blogger Daisylouu said...

It's really not hard to get all your protein from a vegetarian diet if you know what food contain protein other than meat. Actually a vegetarian diet is proven to be much healthier. 4 glasses of milk a day would give you that protein, or you could always add protein bars, peanut butter, nuts/seeds, or beans/legumes.

Actually, never knew it was that simple until I made my vegetarian daughter meet with a dietician at Children's Hospital years ago.

It's hard to be a vegetarian when you were raised eathing meat (much like it's hard to give up hunting when you're raised it's normal) Many hunters find it hypocritical that animal lovers eat meat or wear leather.....although I suspect some are afraid to post on here for fear we will attack them! Or perhaps this blog doesn't attract the hunting crowd.

Tuesday, March 13, 2007 4:44:00 AM  
Blogger Sandy said...

It is not being a hypocrite to be against hunting and to still eat meat. People have to eat, and animals are killed for necessity, like I mentioned about Native Americans long ago. The difference is that hunters hunt for SPORT. Hunting is called a sport. Why do people compete in any sport? For fun, entertainment, exercise. Therein lies the difference. That is my problem, the REASON for hunting and today, there are very few people who hunt for survival. Like I said, only the hunter knows what he or she is getting out of it.

I know a guy who used to hunt, but became bothered by it and instead he turned to photographing the wild. He now has an on-the-side business in photography and does a lot of pet photos.

So, you can get the same thrill of the "hunt" and instead of shooting with a gun, you can shoot with a camera.

Tuesday, March 13, 2007 6:15:00 AM  
Blogger Adrienne said...

I have already given my opinion about hunting in a previous blog. But I thought I would share a conversation I had with Hubby the other day about hunting.

He was telling me that he wanted a new bow. Here we go with spending more money. He wants a recurve (or traditional) bow. I gave him the look and that ensued the "discussion". He likes that fact that it is more of a challenge to archery hunt. But he also likes to compete in archery trials where they shoot at animal targets. Each course has a difficulty rating and there's usually a cash prize. He's really good at it and I don't have a problem with it since no real animals are being killed. That to me is a "Sport". But he won't give up hunting all together and that causes a lot of arguments between us. He has never called hunting a "Sport", but a way he was raised. So we got to the "over population" part. My stand on it is this…

Man is growing, so we have moved into animal territory. The reason we have an over population problem with deer, elk and antelope is because there are less natural predators to control the populations. Man is less willing to live with bears, mountain lions, bob cats and other animals that we think might eat us. So we have them moved to other locations or they are killed. We lived in a very rural part of CO. About once a week we had bears in the yard. They are more afraid of you than you might think. The only time I was ever afraid of a bear was when I was outside with it and it tried to crawl into my car while I was unloading groceries. Hubby went and got his gun, so I could get back into the house. He didn’t shoot it, but was ready if it turned on me. The bears are becoming used to humans and dependant on us for food. We leave trash out or dog food and they stop killing the deer. It's easier to have food given to you than to hunt for it. I knew people who would get old fruit from the stores and put it out for the bears. It made me mad and I would call DOW. Same as I would about the neighbor who would let his dogs chase the deer. It's not OK to feed the bears! If we learned to live with nature and stopped being afraid of it, we might not have the problems we have with over population. Realistically, over population is not the only problem. There is also the over farming of fish, shrimp, lobster and crab. So what are we supposed to do? We are all Hypocrites in many ways. I think the best thing we can do is be the best people we can and educate those around us. I hope one day my Hubby will change his way of thinking.

As I said before, I don't eat a lot of meat (land animals) but I will eat fish and other sea food. And like most men I know, My Hubby won't give any of it up. I guess that makes me a hypocrite too.

Tuesday, March 13, 2007 8:57:00 AM  
Blogger Skeeter said...

I have mentioned that I have one out of three brothers that enjoys hunting. Don’t know where this hunting desire came from with him. We were taught to respect the wildlife. Dad only taught us to fish as children. I am an animal lover but do like to eat burgers so I am also a hypocrite when it comes to eating meat!

I hit a bird while driving down the road last week and it upset me. Mom was quick to point out that the bird went to bird heaven but I still wanted to turn around and go back and bury the thing. But I am sure the vultures had a meal from it and they need to eat too!

I feed the deer corn in our yard and wonder if I am doing the right thing? I try not to mess with nature too much but do think they get good nutrients from the corn. They do not rely 100% on the corn because there are days when they do not eat the corn. I also feed the birds and I hope I am not messing up the balance of nature by feeding them as well. I stopped feeding the fox when the coyote showed up! At times I want to run out and rub the spotted baby deer in the spring but I know it is nothing more then a selfish act on my part if I should tame them. They are wild and need to remain wild so I have never touched a deer in my yard. The birds are so use to me that some have about landed on my shoulder when I am refilling the many feeders we have for them! I also put mealworms out for the birds. I hope I am doing right by all the wildlife in my yard….

Tuesday, March 13, 2007 10:24:00 AM  
Blogger Alice said...

You are doing good to feed the birds natural foods. It's better than what they get hanging around grocery stores and burger joints eating whatever is thrown on the ground. We are augmenting their diets, they eat other insects too. One of the reasons I like them is that they eat mosquitos and flies and spiders. It's nature's pest control!

Tuesday, March 13, 2007 3:25:00 PM  
Blogger dragon said...

La la la la la la la la la la la. And that’s all I got to say about that.

Tuesday, March 13, 2007 4:58:00 PM  
Blogger Pam said...

Dragon, Just after we said something nice about you below on the other blogg area you got to go and be a typical a--h--- man! Was it that you couldn't stand it that we said you have a soft spot? Don't be a turd!

Tuesday, March 13, 2007 5:47:00 PM  
Blogger Skeeter said...

Come on Pam, give Dragon a break, after all Dragons are slayers you know.... my brother is a slayer but I still love him. So I would have a drink with Dragon even though his thoughts are not as mine on the hunting topic. But he would of course have to pay for the drink! Tee hee...

Tuesday, March 13, 2007 7:09:00 PM  
Blogger Stacey said...

Skeeter, after your description of your Bloomer Droppers this weekend, I'm sure Dragon will be more than happy to buy........

Tuesday, March 13, 2007 10:05:00 PM  
Blogger Skeeter said...

Funny Stacey!

Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:08:00 PM  
Blogger dragon said...

Pam--lighten up, girl!!!! Geez!!

Sandy brought up this subject of hunting, and I actually wrote out a very thoughtful, fact based comment on hunting. I did it in a delicate, sensitive, and very understanding way. I am very open minded and accept things for how they are. And after going back and re-reading what I wrote, and on a suggestion from Guinevere, I decided that I should not speak my thoughts on this subject. I remembered the previous blog that hunting was mentioned, and decided based on "the girls" comments then, that I just don't need to get involved here. My post above "la la la la la" was meant to be humorous, not to antaganize anyone. I thought you all would recognize my male intelligence by the fact that I was smart enough not to post on it. Instead, I get called an a**hole and a turd!! Is that what I get for trying to be considerate of your feelings here? I was trying to bring some light and humor. Please don't tar and feather me, or light me a blaze. I breathe fire already.

Now, Skeeter, thanks for watching my back here. It's good to know I have someone that understands me. Not that you agree with hunting, but you do understand the male slayer thing.

Indeed, Skeeter, I would thoroughly enjoy having drinks with you, especially those that make you want to "Drop Your Draws"--you said it first!!! No offense here. And Stacey, you can even join us. We can have a threesome. Now everybody get your minds out of the gutter!!!

Wednesday, March 14, 2007 8:18:00 PM  
Blogger Sandy said...

Dragon, you don't have to be fearful of letting your true feelings known about hunting. We won't think less of you. I think you are simply afraid to defend your position, because you know that I am always right and will win any argument with my flawless logic and reason. We can love people and still disagree with them! The Boss and I disagree all the time!

Thursday, March 15, 2007 8:51:00 AM  
Blogger Skeeter said...

My mother in law is an avid animal lover and works with the Humane Society and a rescue group in VA. She had an interesting thought on hunting. She said that she use to really despise hunting but after thinking on it a while, she came to this conclusion…. She would rather someone shoot a deer and eat the meat then to see it die from starvation from lack of a food source due to overpopulation of the species. I thought that was an interesting take of the subject…

Of the herd that regularly comes into our yard to feed on corn, we have lost two that I know of in the past 5 years to cars whizzing down our country road. I have an eerie picture I snapped of about a dozen turkey buzzards eating one of our favorite deer that was hit and killed. I knew it was Red due to her bright reddish color to her hair. It really upset me to see her go as I have watched her be a mother for several years. But after thinking a bit, it is no different then watching a National Geographic show on animal behavior in the wild….

Do they still have the bird (pigeon) hunts in downtown Clarksville?
Now that one really bothered me when I would read about it in the paper…

Now Dragon, you will have to keep those filthy paws off my silky draws!

Thursday, March 15, 2007 12:43:00 PM  
Blogger Pam said...

Dragon, whoo boy, saw this right before signing off for the day. I am sorry! I really mean it! I didn't mean to sound so mean either but sorry it sounded that way. I really do like you, you know. If I didn't I sure wouldn't be trying to help start Dragon Interprises and get rich with you. But just the same I am sorry. Can I join you guys for the drinks? Can't do the bloomer droppers but I'll hang with the Beast.

Thursday, March 15, 2007 1:43:00 PM  
Blogger dragon said...

Pam, come and join us for drinks. I have been working on a new recipe for a drink. I’ll call it the Flaming Dragon, or Flying Dragon, or something similar. A combination of some of my favorites. Tequila, Golden Slauger, Jack Daniels, and maybe the Beast. I got tore up the other night working on it. I should have written down the measurements and mixture. Have to start all over. Alcohol contents not high enough. Can’t get it to burn.

Thursday, March 15, 2007 5:33:00 PM  
Blogger dragon said...

Skeeter, I am a perfect gentleman. Oh, by the way, I do wash my paws.

Thursday, March 15, 2007 6:04:00 PM  
Blogger dragon said...

Sandy, I see you suffer from the same disease that Quinevere suffers from. The Perpetual Righteous Disorder. Trying to bring logic into a conversation with a fanatic is worse than trying to reason with a drunk. A logical discussion with an open-minded person is most invigorating. Anyone suffering from the above disorder is not logical. Thanks for proving my point.

Thursday, March 15, 2007 6:05:00 PM  
Blogger Sandy said...

Dragon, you are the one afraid of entering the hunting debate. My point is simply that 99.9% of hunters do so because they ENJOY killing for sport, not because it's a necessary task to feed a family like in the old days. Am I wrong about that? And I did say that it's probably better to now eat a hunted deer than a factory-farmed animal that has a horrible life--at least the deer live a normal life before dying. My problem is hunting being a SPORT, not a necessity. As I said, only the hunter knows why he's doing it.

Friday, March 16, 2007 8:45:00 AM  
Blogger Pam said...

Dragon, if you want something that burns then I need to introduce you to Fly Boy, he has some "Shine" ( don't know where he got the stuff but you can light it with a match and it will flame!

Friday, March 16, 2007 5:55:00 PM  
Blogger Pam said...

Sandy, I think I'll give up on this subject for the time being as we are not going to ever agree with the people who advocate hunting as a sport. I am not conceeding on this just putting it on a shelf for now. I'm still as strong on my feelings about it being horrible as ever!

Friday, March 16, 2007 5:57:00 PM  
Blogger Skeeter said...

Pam you and Sandy are just passionate with your views.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that!

Saturday, March 17, 2007 9:58:00 AM  
Blogger dragon said...

Sandy I have never been afraid of a mere female in my life.

I would actually say it is 100% of hunters who ENJOY killing for sport. You say that like it is a bad thing. You are against it, and I respect your point. The thing of it is when I state my thoughts everybody and their brother will come out to point out all the evil of hunting. I cannot change their minds nor do I want to try. We could debate it for ever and you will remain as hardheaded as ever, and so will I. There will be nothing-good coming out of arguing the aspect of hunting.

Saturday, March 17, 2007 2:13:00 PM  
Blogger Sandy said...

My only desire in the hunting debate was to POINT OUT, correctly, as you admit, that people hunt because they ENJOY it not because they have to feed themselves. So when people point this out to them, they try to PRETEND that's NOT why they do it. They say that they eat it, or that deer are overpopulated or whatever, but they can never ADMIT that they do it for PLEASURE. I don't think it's wrong to hunt for necessity, as the Indians did, but I do think its wrong to do it for sport. I am not advocating it be banned, I just want the mighty hunter to just admit his motivation, and that motivation is NOT a necessity for the vast majority.

And when they put their dead deer pictuers in the paper, they should say, John Boy Bubba KILLED a 6-point buck, not "tagged" or "took" which is using sports analogies. The sport factor is the sick factor in my book. So there. LOL. :)

Signed, a MERE female :)

Saturday, March 17, 2007 6:42:00 PM  
Blogger Skeeter said...

Okay y'all, take the gloves off (hug hug kiss kiss) NOW get back to your corners...
HAPPY ST. PATRICKS DAY... THINK GREEN....

Saturday, March 17, 2007 7:08:00 PM  
Blogger Pam said...

I say it's time for the Hot tub, Bloomer Droppers, the Beast, and whatever other drinks ya'all want to bring and let's all be what we are---- animals lovers with different opinions and different views on a lot of thngs yet still all friends having a good time together!!!!!!!!!!!!

Saturday, March 17, 2007 7:47:00 PM  
Blogger dragon said...

There will be nothing-good coming out of arguing the aspect of hunting. That is my point.

I am one for Bloomer Droppers, Hot Tubs, and how can I put this, Hugs Hugs Kiss Kiss. Where's Quinevere, I need to put her to work.

: }

Saturday, March 17, 2007 8:19:00 PM  
Blogger Pam said...

Dragon, you go boy!You and Gunivere need to celebrate St. Patty's Day together. Have fun!
P.S. Did you read the other blogg site where I told you we are made of the same material as far as having many relationships of the oposite sex? Sandy misunderstood and took me for a groupie but as I told her it was the other way around, I had the groupies after me,oh back in the day what a time it was!

Saturday, March 17, 2007 9:16:00 PM  
Blogger Sandy said...

Yes, no good will come of it Dragon, other than maybe a hunter will feel just a bit of shame at getting thrills from killing Bambi. LOL.

How about naming a new drink for Dragon? I know "the Dragon Slayer" A drink so strong it kills even fire-breathers.

Saturday, March 17, 2007 10:43:00 PM  
Blogger Pam said...

Sandy, good idea about the dink only maybe instead of saying it kills it could say it "Thrills" fire breathers then knocks them on thier ass. From what Dragon was talking about mixing the other nght he may be onto the recipe already.

Sunday, March 18, 2007 7:44:00 AM  
Blogger dragon said...

Pam, yes I did notice that you, myself, and Skeeter had very exciting and plentiful "relationships" in our past lives. If I only had a camcorder back then. I could make lots of money selling those tapes: "Girls Gone Wild on Dragon". I can see it now.... And you and Skeeter could have sold "Men Gone Wild" tapes.

It seems you, myself, and Skeeter are so much alike on most things. I just have the male hormonal imbalance and ya'll have that female hormonal imbalance. LOL

Yes, as you noticed, Sandy gets confused very easily. I see that quite often on the blog.

Sandy, I can't help but notice that you always have to get the last word in. I want to let it drop, but you have to stick one more comment in there. I could respond to your Bambi remark, but I don't want to piss everyone off. So, I will hereby admit that you got the last word and our hunting debate is over. Okay?

Sunday, March 18, 2007 2:59:00 PM  
Blogger Skeeter said...

Thats funny Dragon.... About the video tapes that is.....

Sunday, March 18, 2007 7:17:00 PM  
Blogger Pam said...

Dragon, you Skeeter and I could probably form a club for sure! I do like the girls gone wild on Dragon and Men gone wild! Oh it was fun at times but also a pain the ass too. We do need to talk! Oh the stories could bring back some memories but most of all make us all glad they are in the past,ha. We must talk!

Sunday, March 18, 2007 7:46:00 PM  
Blogger Pam said...

Dragon, Now you be nice to Sandy! If it wasn't for her we wouldn't be on here expressing how we all feel would we? We have all agreed we aren't going to agree on all subjects but we can respect each others opinions to a degree. Beyond that we need to stay calm and drop the subject if it seems like it is becoming too heated. We all feel very passionate on some things. Remember, we are all friends here!

Sunday, March 18, 2007 9:16:00 PM  
Blogger Guinevere said...

Now, Pam....it's all right. Dragon thinks Sandy and I are much alike. Stubborn, opinionated females that speak our mind. I'd say he's right. So, I speak from experience when I say that he just likes to stir the pot. He can never let a sleeping dog lie. He has to poke it a bit, just to remind it that he's still here. He means nothing ugly toward Sandy at all, he just has to give her that poke. It's just his way. I think she has that figured out though, and knows not to take offense.

I love the blog. I don't have time to post as much as I'd like, but I do like the way "his girls" keep Dragon hopping. Keep up the good work.

Sunday, March 18, 2007 9:56:00 PM  
Blogger Pam said...

Guinevere,
I really do know that Dragon is just trying to get eveyone going every so often and it's actually fun. I like to make smart assed comments myself only I don't want to make anyone think I'm too serious or hurt any feelings. Dragon is the one I know who won't be upset no matter what I say to him or how I say it,ha. I know he is thick skinned and can handle anything! I too like a little argumentiveness ( I know not a real word )among the group. I guess we should jsut all state that no matter what we sy to each other on here it is all in fun and not meant to make anyone mad. I know Sandy is like me and won't get mad no matter what Dragon says to her either. We've seen she can right back with the comments and taht is a good thng. Hope you will be able to get on more often!

Monday, March 19, 2007 9:35:00 AM  
Blogger Sandy said...

Dragon, I'm glad you noticed I always get in the last word. The Boss seems to notice this too, as have past "real" bosses. But for me to truly get the last word on the hunting topic, I had to post one more time. I'd like to see a Deers Gone Wild video, made up of the clip Pam brought up, as well as some clips of hunters shooting themselves. My grandmoter used to be a good marksman, then one day she was at her clothesline in the country when she got shot in the leg by a Hunter Gone Wild. She became an avid gun hater.

I grew up on PA where hunting is probably even a bigger deal than it is here, as the schools are closed on the first day of deer season. Then we had the city-boy hunters on a quest for their manhood who'd come from the big city and mistake a cow or dog for a deer and shoot it.

I think a better Sport would be boxing for them. They can can enjoy blood, but it's coming from someone who has chosen to play the "game." How about boxing for hunters! Yes, a sport where the teams or sides are actually on the same level, a low one, but the same one nonetheless. LOL.

Monday, March 19, 2007 9:40:00 AM  
Blogger Pam said...

Sandy, guess you had to edit that article about the Youth Hunting that was in the paper this morning. I was so upset to hear kids as young as 6 were hunting. Not only is that teaching them to kill those sweet animals at such a young age but a accident waiting to happen even with a adult supervising. I guess I am just used to having seen so many senceless accidents causing serious outcomes that should never have happedned in the first place. It's like Dr. Phill says"What were you thinkin?"

Monday, March 19, 2007 4:53:00 PM  
Blogger Sandy said...

I saw that article, but luckily, I didn't have to lay out that page at work. I am so glad I don't do the sports section either, as that's where the dead deer photos that were so-called "bagged" or "tagged" appear. I hope one day that will no longer be a part of the sports section--or any section for that matter. I'd like to see more teaching of proper pet ownership and responsibility instead of how to be safe with a gun when you kill a deer. I would never allow a child to hunt, let a alone at 12 like they do now! Good grief, we no longer live in colonial times!

Monday, March 19, 2007 6:19:00 PM  
Blogger Pam said...

HAs anyone seen the thing on TV about the baby po;ar bear that is being raised by zoo keepers and some activists are saying it shuld be put down instead of raised by humans? I was outraged! It is so precious! The mother rejected it and a sibling, the sibling died and this one was healthier. I can't believe anyone would want this sweet little bear to be put to sleep when it is thriving! It is going to be on The Insider at 4:00p.m. tmorrow if you are insterested.

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 5:30:00 PM  

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Sandy Britt, an animal welfare advocate and volunteer with Clarksville rescue organizations, takes care of three dogs: Zoe, Scooter and Peanut; two cats: Catfish and Tarzan; and one husband, Glen, and according to him she takes care of them in that order.
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